I'd doubt it'll go very high on the power front as the air reservoir is fairly small. If you must have a military style pcp at FAC powers then the Stealth can be upped to in excess of 100 ft/lb, though the build quality is Mickey Mouse on them. Well the barrel is 1.5' longer than a logun S16, and the air tank may look small in the pic but it is fullsized the same as the new logun dominators & gladiators. The new loguns do have a longer barrel now after the release of the brocock they have clearly copied the designs and added a little bit to the barrel. But it also has 400 more on the price tag.
Help Brocock Enigma Anybody know where i can download a manual for the Brocock Enigma? Or where i can get some general info on it, eg - i thought it was a tdr? Not sure, cheers guys,Buster, 11:21 AM #2. View Profile View Forum Posts Registered User. Can anyone tell me the maximum muzzel energy that the brocock enigma (series 2) can produce?, And Also what is or are the most accurate pellets for it? >brocock only started coming up with other ideas AFTER the TACS/BACS/SCGA >ban came into effect and im pretty sure the enigma only came out less than 12 >months ago (nov last year) at least.
Ok it has an on board airgauge wich the engima doesnt but hey i can live with that I know the enigma is well able to produce respectable power just not exactly how much, Its farley clear who logun got their new design idea from Edited October 4, 2005 by mimic. Who told you they are logun designs???
Think you might find they are designed by a swedish guy (freddrick axor? ), he did the webley axor and the logun axor (think he might have fallen out with webley) but as far as im aware the only gun logun produce them selves is the MK1 and MK2 profesional, not too sure about the S16 though.
As for what 1 of 5 said about the gunpower stealth, yes they are VERY mickey mouse at 12F/lbs but take them to FAC level and they are a totaly different rifle for some reason. Just dont touch them with a barge pole if you only want 12F/lbs ROB PS loguns came out way before the brocock! Edited October 4, 2005 by roblade. Who told you they are logun designs??? Think you might find they are designed by a swedish guy (freddrick axor? ), he did the webley axor and the logun axor (think he might have fallen out with webley) but as far as im aware the only gun logun produce them selves is the MK1 and MK2 profesional, not too sure about the S16 though. As for what 1 of 5 said about the gunpower stealth, yes they are VERY mickey mouse at 12F/lbs but take them to FAC level and they are a totaly different rifle for some reason.
Just dont touch them with a barge pole if you only want 12F/lbs ROB PS loguns came out way before the brocock! The logun s16 came out before the enigma but the new Take down style of the gladiator and dominator as far as i am aware came out well after the release of the enigma. Ok so i might be worng, when do you belive the enigma was released? If i rember right the galdiator and dominator wwere released apporx 18-24 months thats only these two, there were similar desings specificaly the pistol shuttle loading system one, there have been so many different versions of these rifles i have forgoten thier names, think webley might have even had one of the first from Mr. Axor before logun had the resale rights (webley sceptre? Or was that logun as well) But the basic desing has been around for a little over 2 years i think thuogh it could be a bit closer to 3. Brocock only started coming up with other ideas AFTER the TACS/BACS/SCGA ban came into effect and im pretty sure the enigma only came out less than 12 months ago (nov last year) at least 6 months AFTER the loguns ROB.
Release dates all pretty good estimates(month and year only): ENIGMA: 11/04 DOMINATOR/GLADIATOR 05/04 (BASED AROUND THE RIFLES BELOW) RWS SCIMITAR: 03/03 RWS CUTLAS: 07/03 fX GLADIATOR 05/04 and for good measure GUNPOWER STEALTH 1998 so as you can see a minimum of 6 months between the release of the enigma, the dates i used in previouse post were from memory hence a little on the vauge side. Just bugs me when i cant rember something that i should know PML ROB PS there is nothing take down style about the loguns! They all have fixed stocks or fixed bottles.
The onyl rifles that are take downs are as follows: enigma (top of the list as your interestead in it) AA TDR (the best one out there!!!!) Gunpower Stealth (dont even go there!) Logun S16 (turns into a bloody big thing when assembled ) Alros trailsman (second only to the TDR, 8 shot mag version and 400cc bottle version avalibale as well) Scan ultra (heard good things and bad things about these but with a 32 shot mag 16 on one side 16 on the flip side) Edited October 5, 2005 by roblade. I was never taken by the stealth either, it seems like a good idea in principle, but there are so many varying factors: hammer friction, o-ring life, and combined with the fact it will never be multi shot and the UK customer care side of things is a joke I decided they were a bit poo. Put a brass hammer in mine and a 19' barrel. There is plenty of info online about tuning them, but if you wanted an FAC gun find one which is already FAC as it reduces the price you can sell the gun on for as it can never be off ticket once it has been raised above 12ft/lbs. Can you provide a link to that law?
I've never seen such a law, and believe it to be just an accepted point rather than an actual fact of law. There is no national firearms register so if it's removed from the local one by the local plod there will be no record of it ever having been FAC. Therefore how could anyone be prosecuted for purchasing said gun (with the full consent of the local plod) even if such a law does exist? Wakefield require the gun to be de-rated by an RFD to comply with sub 12 ft/lb law. I know of two people who've had their airguns taken off ticket to increase resale value.
Can you provide a link to that law? I've never seen such a law, and believe it to be just an accepted point rather than an actual fact of law. There is no national firearms register so if it's removed from the local one by the local plod there will be no record of it ever having been FAC. Therefore how could anyone be prosecuted for purchasing said gun (with the full consent of the local plod) even if such a law does exist? Wakefield require the gun to be de-rated by an RFD to comply with sub 12 ft/lb law. I know of two people who've had their airguns taken off ticket to increase resale value. I have to agree surely if you can re certify the gun prefesionaly to 11.9 ftlbs there is no logical reason for it to be an offence for someone to buy, But You must now use a certified firearms dealer to resell your gun only they can buy an resell air guns now Atleast this is how i think the new law works?
Edited October 8, 2005 by mimic. Can you provide a link to that law? Dictionary.com reckons that notwithstanding means all-the-same therfore: principal Act applies all the same (to?) anything done for the purpose of converting it into a shot gun or an air weapon.
From that I would read it also applies to air weapons. I am neither a lawyer or someone willing to try it With the upcoming national firearms register I would also advise others not to Especially when on topic here you can buy already FAC'd rifles much cheaper than their off ticket models, so I would flog the 12 ft/lbs model and use the cash to buy a better model'd FAC.
Description: Brocock Enigma - Black - Take Down Air Rifle - Bought a few years ago and has seen very little use, its only been shot about 60 times. The air cylinder has only been pumped up once. Its in excellent condition. Comes with Hawke 12.50 nite-eye scope, Silencer, valve adapter, instruction manual, camo carry case, 9 shot repeater magazine. The Enigma can break down under 50 secs, chunky cocking bolt action, 9 shot magazine. The barrel has a half inch thread onto which a choice of silencers can be easily attached and removed.
Satisfying the current demand for take down style rifles, the shoulder stock is easily removed for compact carrying. This rifle has plenty of features to make it a robust piece of hunting kit.